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Post by DADDY O on Feb 26, 2017 12:20:39 GMT
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Post by mrp on Feb 28, 2017 11:51:47 GMT
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Post by DADDY O on Feb 28, 2017 12:52:28 GMT
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Post by mrp on Mar 2, 2017 7:13:54 GMT
As you said elsewhere, history written by the losers.
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Post by DADDY O on Mar 2, 2017 12:01:06 GMT
As you said elsewhere, history written by the losers. I'm pretty sure I did not say that. What I did say in the thread "Fake News" was this (in response to your comment(s))... Would you rather have history written by the losers? Imagine how the Germans would tell us about Dachau, Auschwitz or over running their supply lines, etc. To the Victors go the Spoils...............so to speak. |
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Post by sherri on Mar 2, 2017 21:57:18 GMT
I am not sure why you would think we don't have a democracy and that all our media is controlled by govt. We have the ABC but I would say that is more left wing skewed than pro the present federal govt.
We do have free press but just like the press in US, some sections have their own biases.
There's no use pretending the press in US isn't as controlling as here. How else would you explain that a few years back, not a single news source over there said a word about Clinton and some of the sex scandal saga that was being reported here and my American friend had to find online sources from outside the US to read about it. She wasn't amused. The US press knew about it, they chose to suppress it. Just as the US press printed stuff about the British king and his American love interest back in the 1930s, while the British press suppressed a lot of it for a while.
As for Trump not attending the dinner. Maybe it would have been more diplomatic to have attended but Trump isn't a diplomat. I suppose it comes down to the fact he's breaking with a 'tradition' that has been in place a few years but does that tradition necessarily have to last forever?
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Post by DADDY O on Mar 2, 2017 22:37:05 GMT
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Post by sherri on Mar 3, 2017 5:47:00 GMT
Maybe you didn't get what I said. We knew more about his escapades than the American public because more detail was in our newspapers. My American friend was extremely cross. And we did have the internet, which is why I was surprised the US press was holding back. I am the one who sent links to my friend to read. From Australian sources. But it wasn't in the 1980s, it was in the mid 1990s and nope, I did not have the internet in the 1980s and I doubt most Americans did either. The internet started off as a link between universities, or that was my understanding, and it still had a lot of university groups in the early to mid 1990s.
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Post by DADDY O on Mar 3, 2017 11:36:23 GMT
Sherri - The US Press was just as active at that time as it is today. Do you seriously think that Fox News would not report every smutty detail on any Democrat? Remember, Fox is to Democrats as CNN is to Republicans. The " Alternative Facts" that the Trump White House likes to make up is their own "Fake News". Trump is more guilty of the war on the press than vice versa. His ego is so thin he can't ever take even a small hit on it, so he goes off tweeting stupid things that aren't true. When you give the Press THIS MUCH AMMUNITION, what would you expect them to do? |
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Post by sherri on Mar 3, 2017 20:46:12 GMT
I must admit I was surprised when my American friend said she had been closely following every aspect of the scandal in her papers and she had not heard a word about it. Her comment came after I cracked a joke about the cigars. Her reaction was-what are you talking about, what cigars and she said if there had been mention of a cigar she would have known about it.
Eventually your press did print it, but not till a few weeks after it had been in the news everywhere else.
Why they chose that path (to hold back on some details)when the internet was active, I do not know, although the internet was nowhere near what it is today. I would say most people still didn't have it.
What I do know about the media is that it is laughable that we are even having a discussion about which is 'better'. For starters we are both a lot better off than in some countries where there is some sort of severe military or political control. But in our countries, what I have noticed is that when it comes to the more minor stories, not only do we tend to get the same ones, but we actually get them word for word. I've noticed that time and time again on SD.
As for Trump, I don't like him. I never thought he would get this far, if I'm honest. But I do think he is right and he has a lot of the media against him & some of them are chipping away, actively trying to bring about his downfall.
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Post by mrp on Mar 3, 2017 23:45:55 GMT
Having the internet in 1985 certainly is an alternative fact to boot.
At least Project Veritas made note of Mornin' Joe's co-host saying it was their job to tell people what to think.
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Post by DADDY O on Mar 4, 2017 0:57:54 GMT
I was using the Internet and Email in 1985 in Austin. It most certainly existed where I worked (City of Austin) in that era........albeit, a closed system.......if I remember correctly. For verification, just ask Al Gore..  |
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Post by sherri on Mar 4, 2017 10:24:40 GMT
The internet was around but as you say, a fairly closed system.
When we got the internet on (it was dial up) in the mid 1990s, I remember there were some sites where you could look up people's email addresses. Bigfoot or some such thing. People registered their name and email addy. It was useful as I found my penpal's name there and was able to email her.
I sometimes went on chat sites too and mostly they seemed to be uni students or sometimes reporters. Mostly the people were American but I did strike Russian once.
And polite and helpful. People spent a lot of time teaching me basic computer stuff (like cut and paste)
It only lasted a year or two then bam, every man & his dog came online and the culture really went downhill.
But can you imagine people going out of their way to list their name and email addy online these days?
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Post by mrp on Mar 9, 2017 9:02:04 GMT
Ergo, you didn't have "the internet".
"It only lasted a year or two then bam, every man & his dog came online and the culture really went downhill.
But can you imagine people going out of their way to list their name and email addy online these days?"
Bloody oath. I can't stand facespace.
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Post by DADDY O on Mar 9, 2017 13:46:52 GMT
Bloody oath. I can't stand facespace. A Twitter man........right? As far as the Internet, it was called the Internet and it included the Cities of Austin, Dallas and Houston, as well as the University of Texas, Cal-Tech and one or two other California Universities. How they were linked together.......I have no idea, but they were. |
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