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Post by DADDY O on Jan 19, 2017 9:40:10 GMT
What really is the purpose of minimum wage? If we raise it from $6.55 per hour to $15.00 per hour (more than double) will that really make living conditions better for the lower class? Or will it not just add more cost to goods & services and eventually price out businesses trying to be competitive? After all, shareholders expect to see a distribution of funds from the profits made by companies. If we wipe out profits, will that not also wipe out investment?
To me, the minimum wage debate that Bernie Sanders likes to throw out from time to time is simply a gimmick to get the poor to vote for him. After all, who wouldn’t want their salary doubled?
Sooner or later the costs of goods & services will have to grow and then we're back in the same boat we were in when we started.
Poverty is not caused by a lack of wages..............it's caused by a lack of work ethic.
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Post by mrp on Jan 19, 2017 11:06:54 GMT
Unemployment.
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Post by sherri on Jan 19, 2017 21:12:09 GMT
I don't know there is always a lack of work ethic. There is such a thing as the working poor, people who work a full week but still don't earn enough to afford a home or unit (remembering that in Melbourne, the average place is around the 600k mark and plenty of people work for about 45k a year.
I think there should be minimum wages and regulations.
In my experience, there is never really any trouble with big employers.
But it's the little employers who push their luck.
Employers who deny someone a couple of day's sick leave, tearing up the doctor's certificate, asking what is wrong and saying they will prescribe something to kill the pain and the person can come in!
Employers where the supervisor throws things at any woman trying to leave the production line to eg go to the toilet.
Employers who don't pay wages on time, pay the wrong wages, don't pay into superannuation at all, get behind not by a week but by years.
Employers who insist that the hour spent cleaning up the premises after work is not included in paid employment.
These are the rorts some employers inflict on workers even when there are conditions, imagine their glee if they could openly do as they liked. I believe that usually those in power eventually abuse that power to their own advantage where they can. There is no doubt that employers are the ones with most power. There need to be checks and balances.
We have minimum wages and conditions here and it has not bankrupted the country, far from it. The very skilled get far more than any minimum in any case, the big companies have ways around paying their fair share of taxes anyway.
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Post by DADDY O on Jan 19, 2017 21:29:50 GMT
Isn't Socialism Grande?  ? OK, that was a joke....but not too far from the truth. This stuff exists to a minor degree in most nations, but people who want to work, will work. I remember when I was in college I worked at 5 separate part time jobs in order to pay my tuition, books, rent and food. When I graduated, I had no student loans or debt, and most of my jobs were related to my degree/future profession, so I learned a lot at the same time. People who work at McDonalds will most likely always work at McDonalds..................no? Convince me otherwise. |
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Post by sherri on Jan 19, 2017 21:55:48 GMT
Most maccas employees are students, in my experience. I doubt they will work there all their lives. Just as a lot of check out people are students or part time workers.
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Post by freon on Jan 27, 2017 12:24:28 GMT
Sherri I used to work in the supermarket lndustry installing and repairing their refrigeration Over the years I got to know all the managers so both my daughters had part time Jobs at coles and woolies during high school and Uni it was good training in work ethics They are both now professionals
Cheers
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Post by sherri on Jan 27, 2017 19:38:10 GMT
Both my daughters had part time work at Big W at our local shopping centre.
I have a lot of respect for Big W. They actually encouraged their workers by offering grants to some of the workers who put in applications. My daughter was awarded $200 to go towards uni books etc, she was rapt.
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Post by granty on Jan 27, 2017 21:10:33 GMT
Both my daughters work in a down town bar called 'Hogarths' nicknamed 'Hogwarts'. Chloe on the left is 20, so she's a barmaid earning 5.50 ph, Estra who is 17 and a glass collector earns 4.50 ph.  |
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Post by granty on Jan 29, 2017 0:14:12 GMT
Forgot to mention, Chloe is in her second year at university, learning bio medical science.
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Post by daybreak on Jan 29, 2017 2:50:07 GMT
I notice most young people at uni studying for a degree will have a partime job to pay for their rent food books and they are the ones who are motivated to get their degree. They don't want to work at MacDonald's or Woolworths but they will because they need the money.
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Post by sherri on Jan 29, 2017 20:49:21 GMT
That's exactly right, daybreak. It isn't a long term goal, just a short term job to help them through. Kids these days can be students well into their 20s & need some money for cars, petrol, clothes, outings etc
My father had a friend who worked as a manager in one of those places-KFC I think. You can make a long term living if you are higher up. Nothing wrong with that job either.
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? OK, that was a joke....but not too far from the truth.
