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Post by beachbum on Apr 29, 2017 23:33:56 GMT
Held the other day in (I think Atlanta)
The keynote speaker was President Trump.
According to press reports, no firearms were allowed inside.
So much for the "Right To Bear Arms"
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Post by sherri on Apr 30, 2017 9:41:42 GMT
Someone might try to shoot him. I wouldn't want to be in the crowd if people were let in with guns. Might get caught in the crossfire.
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Post by beachbum on Apr 30, 2017 18:32:45 GMT
I'm not a gun nut, but if you can't carry your gun everywhere, you don't have the "Right To Bear Arms", you just have permission to carry them in certain places.
Last I heard, the Secret Service didn't have the right to overturn constitutional rights.
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Post by sherri on May 1, 2017 0:12:33 GMT
I guess I don't know the laws over that way all that well. But over here, I know it is illegal to carry any weapon at all into some places. In fact there are some places (TV studios) where they won't let you take in a mobile phone, let alone a weapon. So for me it didn't sound too bad. Maybe they need to change the constitution to 'right to own arms'. But only in certain circumstances as in, no police record, no mental health issues.  |
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Post by DADDY O on May 1, 2017 12:52:49 GMT
The US Constituion grants the "Right to Bear Arms". It says nothing about how those weapons can be held, I.e., in your home, concealed, openly carry, etc.
The laws not specifically granted to the Federal Government in the Consstitution are specifically dedicated to the States, and each state can, and usually do, have varying laws. Thus, I may be able carry a concealed weapon in Texas, but not California. I can still own the weapon, but it has to stay at my place of residency.
Most states have similar gun laws, except the right to carry concealed. Many states ban the carrying of weapons in areas they designate as restricted, such as Churches, Movie Theaters, Governmental Buildings, Police Stations, Arenas and/areas that gather large crowds like football stadiums, Convention Centers, etc.
It is the States that dictate where and when one can carry a weapon.
I am not a big fan of the NRA.......just the opposite. They believe that everyone should have the right to own and use any kind of weapon. I don't. It is my belief that handguns should be tightly regulated, which in most cases they are. It is also my believe that assault type of weapons should not be allowed to just anyone, but only those who have a Federal Firearms Dealer License (very hard to get), and the Military, but not allowed off base.
I also believe that anyone who wants to carry a weapon outside his place of residency should also be required to carry a bond......say $1,000,000, which is simply an insurance policy. If you use your weapon illegally, you lose your bond and the bonding company will take everything from you to try and recover it.
Carrying a weapon should be similar to driving a car. You can't legally drive a car in the USA without insurance, and a driver's license. Why should owing a gun be any different?
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Post by sherri on May 1, 2017 21:56:44 GMT
I'd say it is much the same here in that a lot of laws differ from state to state.
When it comes to weapons though, you usually get scanned at airports, court and into parliament house. You are not supposed to take guns into police stations either but I don't know if that is scanned as such. Must ask. I do know that every police officer here wears full rig out, vests etc while on duty & it isn't comfortable -is much too hot even in winter. This never used to happen in the past. Bullet proof vests were for special situations, not everyday wear in at the station. Shame it has come to this.
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Post by DADDY O on May 3, 2017 5:03:55 GMT
Kevlar vests are standard issue for all police officers in the USA. Usually, they stay in the trunk of their car unless the call they are responding to includes a warning that the perpetrator is armed........Then, on come the vests.
Many officers wear their vests while on duty (it's their choice). You never know when they might walk up to someone's vehicle to give them a simple traffic violation and have a gun pulled out and then the officer is shot ................. hence, better to be safe than sorry.
It is a shame we have gotten ourselves into this position. Gun violence exists in all countries regardless of their gun laws. Law abiding people who carry guns are just that......law abiding. If I am speeding or doing some other minor offense and a police officer stops me, the first thing I tell him, or her, is (1) I am carrying, (2) the make and model of my weapon, and (3) the location of the weapon. Usually, when an officer hears this (without being asked) he or she knows I am a law abiding citizen, and usually they just let you go.
But the other side of that coin is, criminals are criminals who usually get their guns through illegal means. There is not much you can do about that, other than arrest them for illegal carry; send them to jail for a very long time or; shoot them and be done with it......personally, I prefer the latter.
I am not sure why many people think that the value of a human life...i.e. a criminal's life is just as, or more important than the life of their victims. But many do......well, until they have been accosted by a criminal, that is.
The problem in the USA is not the number of guns that exist. The problem is we don't deal with criminals that use guns during their criminal activity very well. We need to change that....and the NRA is directly responsible for many of our problems.
And let's not forget the old verbiage "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns". No truer words ever spoken. |
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