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Post by sherri on Mar 31, 2017 23:47:32 GMT
I read this article & think it is a great example of how our culture is stomping on Christianity in a way it would not dare do to muslims.
www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/andrew-bolt/andrew-bolt-attack-on-church-a-cultural-assault/news-story/49cb351a51474153e6f1fb28a9db1462
I found this action offensive: Even the Queen, officially the Defender of the Faith, now barely dares. Last month her officials had one of her chaplains, Gavin Ashenden, resign for embarrassing her by defending Christianity from the claims of Islam.
Ashenden’s sin? He’d protested when Glasgow’s St Mary’s Cathedral had a Muslim activist read a passage from the Koran for the Eucharist on the Feast of the Epiphany, a passage that called Jesus a fake Messiah.
So tell me, what mosque would allow a Christian activist to get up during one of their services and read a passage that stated Jesus was the only true god and state that Allah was a fake? Would any radical expect it? If it did happen and a muslim complained, wouldn't our papers, politicians etc be quick to see the muslim point of view?
I think we are being like Neville Chamberlain-so hell bent on peace in our time that we are stifling any debate or any comment for fear of upsetting muslims.
There is a major difference between our traditional culture & the Islamic culture & the worrying fact to me is they may win out in our society because you see, the muslims have pride & they care, they won't put up with attacks or put downs. A lot of the politicians & intellectuals in our society though don't care & in fact take positive pride in hitting at Christianity.
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Post by mrp on Apr 1, 2017 10:57:36 GMT
That is pretty bloody silly. I'm not going to preach in a Hindu temple and start calling their gods false idols. I'd expect to get my arse kicked.
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Post by sherri on Apr 1, 2017 21:53:21 GMT
I haven't read about it in the newspapers at all except in this article by Bolt but I presume he has his facts right.
His views are usually fairly far to the right but he would have to be factual in the things he uses as examples, or you would think so.
No one has debunked it anyway.
Whether a person is Christian or agnostic or anything else, I can't see why they would not expect a minister to protest at that sort of action. I personally believe Bolt is right. Christianity has lost a lot of clout because of the paedophile disclosures, which is fair enough but mainly in the past as most ministers would not dare now there are consequences. And even in the past, most of those men kept things hidden except amongst cronies of a similar disposition.
Yet the whole religion is in some disrepute & probably fair enough to some extent.
But.. politicians & others jump in madly and call Islam the religion of peace, claim terrorist attacks have 'nothing to do with Islam or muslims'.
There's a disconnect between responses.
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Post by sherri on Apr 1, 2017 22:07:23 GMT
I just found when I click the link I gave, my computer blocks it as a dangerous site. yet if I type in google-andrew bolt attack on church cultural assault-that page comes up as first in the search results and clicking on it doesn't seem to worry Nortons at all. Go figure!
There is also this in the report. A Greens candidate even took the Catholic Archbishop of Hobart to Tasmania’s Anti-Discrimination Tribunal for stating the church’s defence of traditional marriage.
Again, really? A person can't have an opinion-and moreover, one that is currently upheld by law in this country-without being taken to the anti discrimination tribunal? What would the greens candidate say if he was charged with exhorting people to challenge or break current laws.
And this one, which I think is also disturbing. First, same-sex marriage activists savaged the Coopers Brewery for supplying the beer shown in a video of a polite debate between two Liberal MPs, the gay Tim Wilson and the Christian Andrew Hastie.
The Christian was the problem. Hastie said he liked Wilson and respected his relationship with partner Ryan, but was still against expanding the definition of marriage to include same-sex relationships. This Christian view was so shocking that activists boycotted Coopers and forced the Christian-owned brewery to pull the video, apologise and publicly back same-sex marriage.
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Post by mrp on Apr 4, 2017 22:41:09 GMT
That's right, it is actually illegal to defend the legal status quo in Australia.
We have next to no civil liberties left.
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Post by sherri on Apr 5, 2017 3:24:48 GMT
I believe people should be able to state an opinion, have a debate, without being charged.
The only time we need people charged (in my opinion) is when those people are inciting violence or causing problems to others who are going about their daily business peacefully.
So if someone bailed up a passenger on a bus or train and started harassing them about race or religion or whatever-charge them, that's scary for the poor person being harassed, no one should have to put up with it.
Those imams who encourage jihad, that's dangerous too, lock them up or deport.
But if two people want to debate the whys or why nots of homosexual marriage laws or anything else in an objective fashion, they should be allowed to.
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Post by granty on Apr 14, 2017 20:24:04 GMT
I can't believe how anybody living in any westernised country can believe in the evil primitive thing called 'God'
Even worse, I can't believe how normal people can patronise them.
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