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Post by DADDY O on Mar 28, 2017 14:36:28 GMT
If our education system wasn't in enough shambles, Trump has, by executive order, eliminated training for teachers between grades K-12. www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/I guess with the failure of TrumpCare, he has to find the money for those big tax cuts to the Big businessmen somewhere? |
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Post by sherri on Mar 28, 2017 21:43:27 GMT
Maybe that link updates to new things regularly because it isn't showing anything about teacher training at the moment. It looks to be about energy, although it is hard to gauge as ads keep popping up and stalling it on me.
K-12 covers all of a child's education really. I would say those are the pivotal years in which to lay down a foundation.
Having been through teacher training decades ago, I can honestly say I learnt more in some of my courses after I was trained. Some of them (such as reading recovery) should be standard in teacher training, in my opinion.
There's a move in some countries such as NZ to make education a business. I know in NZ at one stage (may even be so now but I am not certain), a principal did not need any teacher training or experience at all. One man in the position had been a butcher previously. The thinking was that the leader needed to be someone with business expertise. But to me, a principal should be someone who has worked in the field & has some idea of the problems & what is involved.
Just as an interesting aside. Do you know what Victoria's biggest export is? Or so I heard on the news. It is education. We get so many foreign students here & they have to pay full price for their tuition, even if they are in a state run school. We had a few at my school. Of course, a lot more are at universities.
Our biggest employer in the state is the casino.
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Post by mrp on Apr 1, 2017 11:00:06 GMT
Teacher training is bullshit. You know what they learn? Sociology. Utter crap! Sociology is unreconstructed Marxism masquerading as social science.
Illich, Gatto, Sir Ken. There is your start. Sure, you will always need trained teachers and educational academics.
The idea that a kid's dad who is a solicitor shouldn't teach kids legal studies...well that is a bit loopy, isn't it!
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Post by DADDY O on Apr 1, 2017 11:17:17 GMT
LMAO MRP @ "Sociology is unreconstructed Marxism masquerading as social science." I never heard that one before.
So, amigo.................how would you define Socialism? 
Do you not believe in "Continuing Education (CE)"? As an Engineer, I have to take 30 hours per year of CE. I'm not sure I really learn that much new stuff, other than new equipment/programs (that someone is trying to sell you) that might aid in your work. Beyond that, math is math...........it hasn't changed much over the life of my career.
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Post by sherri on Apr 1, 2017 23:03:06 GMT
Teacher training is bullshit. You know what they learn? Sociology. Utter crap! Sociology is unreconstructed Marxism masquerading as social science. Illich, Gatto, Sir Ken. There is your start. Sure, you will always need trained teachers and educational academics. The idea that a kid's dad who is a solicitor shouldn't teach kids legal studies...well that is a bit loopy, isn't it! The idea that a kid's dad who is a solicitor would take the year off to teach legal studies is a bit loopy, I grant you that. They wouldn't do it. The dept has a hard time getting skilled tradesmen to teach their trades & for the same reason-you're often asking people to take a massive drop in pay.
I'd suggest that some solicitors & some tradesmen could do it no worries & others would have a massive problem because knowing how to do something and knowing how to teach it, assess it, report it is another. Discipline isn't as easy as everyone thinks either.
You know, years ago my brother & a couple of other people set up a business that nowadays is restricted to a specialised legal field. My brother had no qualifications at all. So it can sometimes be done in reverse too. But a bit of training doesn't hurt in any profession.
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Post by mrp on Apr 4, 2017 22:38:25 GMT
"Do you not believe in "Continuing Education (CE)"? As an Engineer, I have to take 30 hours per year of CE. I'm not sure I really learn that much new stuff, other than new equipment/programs (that someone is trying to sell you) that might aid in your work. Beyond that, math is math...........it hasn't changed much over the life of my career."
You've just proven it is bullshit.
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Post by mrp on Apr 4, 2017 22:39:09 GMT
"The idea that a kid's dad who is a solicitor would take the year off to teach legal studies is a bit loopy, I grant you that.
They wouldn't do it."
I never said that.
I'd rather kids be taught legal studies by lawyers than arts grads with a dip ed.
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Post by sherri on Apr 4, 2017 22:48:10 GMT
Okay, you find the lawyers who will leave their jobs to do it.
A one off visit you could organise, but I seriously doubt many in that profession would take on teaching & a massive drop in salary.
If they had wanted to teach, they would have done teacher training.
Having qualifications in any trade or business or even in teacher training, does not necessarily make you an effective teacher. But some of the training helps, especially some discipline strategies. Experience also helps in the classroom. Those are the very things a lawyer may struggle with. I'm sure some could make the transition easily but others would struggle.
I guess what I am saying is being taught legal studies by a lawyer would not necessarily be better for students than being taught by a competent person with teacher training.
Not all training is rubbish. I have done some courses that were fantastic, a real learning experience. I've read some books that changed my whole approach to some social issues and teaching.
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Post by DADDY O on Apr 4, 2017 23:01:58 GMT
"The idea that a kid's dad who is a solicitor would take the year off to teach legal studies is a bit loopy, I grant you that. They wouldn't do it." I never said that. I'd rather kids be taught legal studies by lawyers than arts grads with a dip ed.
I agree.
My granddaughters are going to a Charter School that costs a lot more than a public school does. Their math teachers have no education in math, other than the "Dick And Jane" versions. Consequently, I am the one teaching them how to solve math problems.I strongly believe that math should be taught by teachers who have a degree in math. And English.....the same. History the same.....etc.
Taking a teacher, simply because they are a teacher, and giving them classes to teach that they do not understand, does nothing for our educations system......just the opposite.....no matter what the curriculum dictates.
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