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Post by DADDY O on Jan 9, 2017 15:01:27 GMT
Should “crazy” people get the death penalty as do non-crazy people for committing a horrendous crime?
Why would you spare someone’s life who has little if any chance of rehabilitating? If you’re nuts and murder someone, why not murder them as well?
I bring this up because the young man who murdered 5 people and wounded 8 at the Ft. Lauderdale airport claims he is mentally ill. He says he has been hearing voices that tells him to join ISIS. He even went to the FBI, who took away his gun, right up to the time he had a psychological exam mandated by the FBI. He was found not to be crazy. This occurred in November……………two months earlier.
To me, it matters not if the person is crazy or not…..put him down in the same manner you would if a dog suddenly attacked you. A crime is a crime whether it comes from a nut case or a sane person….treat them equally.
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Post by sherri on Jan 9, 2017 21:17:30 GMT
Hmm, it is an interesting question. I think in the case you mentioned, where the FBI took away his gun, there was probably enough evidence he was of questionable mind to bar him from having a gun. Personally I don't think anyone who has had psychological problems should ever hold a gun licence, or certainly not within eg 2 years of any problems.
And I realise he probably was not in touch with ISIS but I still think they bear some responsibility for this. They are bringing violent ideas to the fore and giving people clues on how they can live out any violent fantasies. They are glamorising the idea of the lone wolf, if you like.
But.. what do we do? I was once extremely anti-death penalty and I still have serious misgivings in that I think it isn't an even playing field for the wealthy and poorer people in society. And if there is to be a death penalty, I do think it needs to be applied in the most humane way possible-no hanging, beheading, electric chair. Put to sleep like a dog. I have read that that can't be done because humans are big but if it can't be done, then maybe people shouldn't talk of euthanasia for the sick then, should they.
So.. given I could go along with a death penalty in some cases, who would it be for/ -Those who are 100% guilty, where no doubt exists they did the crimes, they were seen by multiple witnesses. -Those who kill multiple people for no good reason. Money, jealousy, voices in your head not being good enough reasons. -Terrorists who are proven to have plotted or carried out attacks with the potential to kill multiple people. -In some cases, criminals who may have only killed one person but who did so in a violent manner without any provocation and who have a long history of violence against others.
So should this guy be eligible for the death penalty? Absolutely. He was tested only 2 months ago and found to be of sound mind. I personally don't think he is or was, I think psychological testing has no really objective basis as yet, it is snake oil. But his mind is warped enough to want to kill, he carried it out, he is dangerous and it is doubtful he can be rehabilitated.
So yes, if people with mental illness commit serious crimes, we need to look at it honestly. They are a big risk to put back in the community.
Off topic-I read Charles Manson was very ill. Let's hope it's something terminal. |
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Post by granty on Jan 9, 2017 21:31:48 GMT
So what about Muslim's? You can't get any more primitive brainwashed morons than them.
They're not even human, they're living on another planet, a one that doesn't exist. They get away with anything they want because they call it a religion. That's what you call sick.
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Post by sherri on Jan 9, 2017 21:35:34 GMT
I have a lot of concerns about muslims. I don't think they are all bad but if a muslim turns violent terrorist then yes, death penalty should apply to them. Religion should not be an excuse.
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Post by DADDY O on Jan 9, 2017 22:41:31 GMT
Personally, I don't care if the person is judged insane or not. The criminal penalty should be administered equally. And, I agree with Granty in as much as "Isn't radical Religion just another form of insanity". It's not only Muslims, although they are front and center right now, but look at the radical Mormons who take 12 year old wives, multiple wives and treat them like sexual slaves. It's simply insane.
My father in law was a residential home builder in Florida for over 40 years. The state went through a recession in the 1980's. He had 4 women to support (sound familiar Granty?), so he took on other work. He worked at a Liquor store. One evening about closing time two young black men came in and bought some liquor, then left. When my father in law left the store he was confronted by the two black men who demanded his wallet. He gave it up to them. As they were walking away, one of the black men turned and shot him dead........this, after they had what they asked for.
They caught the shooter, but not the accomplice. The shooter claimed he had a poor upbringing and thus wasn't completely responsible for his crime. The jury agreed. He got 20 years at Rayford Penitentiary in Florida. He was paroled for "Good Behavior" in ten years.
If I had known my father in law at that time, I would have killed the shooter myself. There is no excuse for this kind of sentencing.....none whatsoever.
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Post by sherri on Jan 10, 2017 3:40:52 GMT
That is absolutely terrible, daddyo.
I am sick and tired of people blaming their upbringing or drugs or anything else for crimes they did willingly.
To me (if I were on a jury) that shooting is worse than one in a hold up where, for example, a man might fight back. Not that I would excuse that either.
but what you described was a more cold blooded killing.
Mind you, a 20 year sentence would be considered a long one here. We had a case here a couple of years back. I've talked about it before. man by the name of Adrian Bayley. Long history of rape and violent attacks.
Bashed someone while on parole, soon after serving a rape sentence.
Parole was not revoked.
Then went and raped and killed a woman-what brought it to the news was she disappeared. Her bag was found but she disappeared and CCTV showed her being followed. He was eventually identified via CCTV & road toll cameras & took police to where he buried her.
He got 32 years but has appealed, saying it is unnecessarily harsh compared to other sentences people get & most unfair.
I don't know any member of the public who thinks it is too harsh, especially as other rapes from the past have come to light since he was caught.
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Post by granty on Jan 10, 2017 19:25:19 GMT
You'll never get justice or common sense in any civilised country as long as you've got "human right's lawyers".
As far as I'm concerned, these parasites are worse than the Murderer's they make money from.
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Post by DADDY O on Jan 10, 2017 20:07:52 GMT
I couldn't agree more. I wish I had know my father in law, but I arrived too late. I'm told he was a great sportsman who loved to hunt & fish......my kind of guy.
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Post by granty on Jan 10, 2017 20:23:16 GMT
If anyone deserves to be strung up, it's this thing. Just look at his perfect cell, and let's not forget his 'human rights' Norway is one unbelievable country. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38574453 |
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Post by DADDY O on Jan 10, 2017 20:48:47 GMT
Good Lord. The article stated:
The government argued that his three-cell complex, where he can play video games, watch TV and exercise, is better than the conditions of most other prisoners to compensate for being kept in solitary confinement.
A three cell complex for the largest mass murderer of all time in Norway? He plays video games and watches TV all day?
Give him his wish and put him in the General Population and let the other prisoners mete out his justice. He wouldn't last a week.
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Post by sherri on Jan 10, 2017 20:59:33 GMT
Not sure why it is considered inhumane to keep him in a 3 room complex.
I have a friend whose son took drugs. He became a dealer to fund his habit, got caught and has been in solitary now for a couple of years.
I'm not defending him at all but he has never in his life been violent, he was polite to police. He is not in any 3 room cell, does not have TV and has one hour a day where he can get out to walk or exercise.
He will be in solitary for another 2 years.
If it is good enough for him, it should be good enough for mass murderers.
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Post by DADDY O on Jan 10, 2017 21:01:34 GMT
I spent 2-1/2 years in Southeast Asia treading through rice paddies and sleeping in a pup tent. When we got back to our base it was a hard cot and the same bath room........shared by 25 other GI's in the same room (talk about smell). All of us would have killed for this kind of living arrangements.  Seriously? This is a prison cell.............I wonder if they limit the "Porn" on the Internet to these guys......I'm thinking NO. |
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Post by sherri on Jan 10, 2017 21:05:41 GMT
The thing is this-prison is not meant to be inviting. It shouldn't be torture, but humane doesn't mean living exactly how you might prefer.
It is meant to be punishment, it is meant to be a loss of liberty to move around as you would like.
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Post by DADDY O on Jan 10, 2017 21:12:05 GMT
Yeah, well if you're in Texas and good prisoner, this is what the living conditions are like:  But if you're a bad guy..............not so good:  But, the good news is............you don't have to hang around too long. |
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Post by sherri on Jan 10, 2017 21:15:20 GMT
Personally I think I would prefer the Norwegian solitary, as long as I had some good books.
Computer, books, TV maybe, room to exercise, meals delivered. Some of our pensioners wouldn't mind a space that big. Some people here pay $200 a week to rent a room & that doesn't cover their food.
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